ESNG PlayDay – 14 July 2019 – And boats on Lake Luzern

I’m back from holiday – shortly before going away again.  Coming up over the next few weeks will be the rest of Ron’s Swiss pictures, some Swiss transport photos from Allan, and my pictures from the wonderful Crich tramway museum and from the Cromford canal.  Then perhaps relatively normal service will be resumed (and I’m hoping to get a little railway modelling done!)


ESNG PlayDay – 14 July 2019

No Allan, Miles, or curry today.  Or indeed Dave, who was on holiday.  But there were still 10 members in attendance, and we had a good afternoon’s running – except Mr Apps, who destroyed a coupling on one loco, and burnt out another.

Simon’s tanker train was very impressive, when it stayed coupled!

Fast and slow…..

 

Yet another bullet train from Paul….

I ran in a Farish SECR ‘N’ class….

Then added a train of private owner wagons….

And Brian’s video…

 


Boats on Lake Luzern

Pictures from Allan, including the paddle steamers.  Some cheap and cheerful boats here!

           

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Minories #2 – Out in the suburbs – repost

Number 4 is my second Minories post.  Back to normal (whatever that may be) next week!


If you leave London, and head to the other end of the commuter lines, a Minories like design, sort of ‘mini-Minories’ is another option.  Iain Rice published this excellent design, loosely based, I think, on the outer-London terminus at Caterham.

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Notable features of this design are the use of slip points to keep the interesting complex trackwork at the throat and the way that this compresses the classic Minories design and means that the platforms stretch for 4’6″ of the 6’6″ design (in OO).  For N gauge, this could fit neatly on a 4′ board, giving a little more elbow room.  Keeping the full length would allow 8-car EMUs in the station.  Another good feature is the prototypically wide platform – we are too inclined to have very narrow platforms on our models.

Again, the design allows for an intense suburban service, and the occasional goods train for the coal siding.  We do, perhaps, lose the parcels traffic, although one could include a daily service, assuming an adjacent depot.

When one looks at some prototype track layouts on the Southern one sees how Rice has captured the suburban character.  Caterham, Bromley North, and Allhallows all look very similar and modelable.  I like the layout of the crossover and single slip at Bromley North, and Allhallows gives an excuse to use the Peco scissors crossover that you bought, and don’t know what to do with!

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Bromley North has been captured in an excellent little layout, that you can read about here.  The layout is now defunct, but captured some of Bromley’s character.  It did, however, have a modified track layout, and far more traffic than seen by the real thing.

Of course, if you want a real mini-Minories, some of Ian Futer’s tiny layouts take a lot of beating.  Here we have Victoria Park, an inner city terminus in OO in 4′.  Although it has a single track entrance, this does allow a visual trick to turn it into a double track terminus.  If the kick-back road is extended under the footbridge and into the fiddle yard, one can assume a double track main line, with the other crossover lying out of view.  It also makes the fiddle yard very simple with two points and four roads to the right, as bi-directional running can be carried out on both tracks.

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Finally, returning to the city centre, I can recommend the London Reconnection site, that contains excellent articles on London rail past and present, and often very interesting maps and track layouts.  The series on what is now Thameslink, through Holborn and Farringdon is most interesting.  This 1916 map shows the complexity of the lines, mainly underground, in this area – and linking with Moorgate and the original inspiration for Minories.  Perhaps most interesting is the numbers of goods depots tucked below ground behind London streets, belonging to the various pre-grouping railway companies.  These hidden lines could make excellent models, much as the little New York City yards do.

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Finally, for the track-builder, how about Smithfield Sidings, just north of Snow Hill and Holborn Viaduct station?  To quote from the site:

As the GN depot plan makes clear, the Smithfield Sidings ran alongside the GN depot but were not connected to it. There were four sidings, and were mainly used by London & South Western Railway (LSWR) stock after working the Richmond to Ludgate Hill services, which ran via Addison Road (now Kensington Olympia). The empty trains descended to the sidings, two of which had a turnplate for reversing locomotives.

If you modelled this, no one would believe the track design.

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Later this month, I hope to write a final post, with a couple of new Minories ideas, based on the last couple of posts.  Maybe a Christmas job…..

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A small shunting layout – repost

Interestingly, Number 3 is this little American switching layout.


Model Railroad Hobbyist has a very nice ‘shunting plank’ in its October edition.  It’s in ‘O’ gauge, but the dimensions are a very reasonable 11’- 6” x 17’–19” with a 6’ removable extension for operation.  Note that this converts to an even more reasonable size in 2mm based scales. It’s also based on a real location:

Though I am not a prototype modeler, I like my layouts to be based on real locations, especially the track design. The track plan of my Cleveland Flats layout is closely based on the real location. To draw the plan, I took an aerial shot from Google Maps and scaled it down to 1:48 to take measurements.

The track plan is simple, but satisfying in that there is plenty of interest in its layout, and is scenically interesting with the two road crossings – and that will also make things interesting operationally, to avoid leaving waggons on the crossing when switching.

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Detailing is neat and lightly weathered – perhaps it could use a little more grime, but that comes back to personal preference – do we model is as it was, or as we’d like to remember it.  All the stock has added detail, or has been scratch-built.  These two photos, culled from the MRH give the impression.

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The author, Kurt Matthey, comments…..

To be honest, I would not mind having a little more space available to build a layout, but I also see the merits of such a small layout. To build and even finish it doesn’t take ages, it can easily be moved and stored, and the costs are manageable. The best thing, though, is that you can have a lot of fun on a small shelf, even with big O scale trains.

It’s an inspirational piece of work, and another small layout plan to consider for the future (along with all the others!)

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Minories #1 – the original design – repost

Number 2 is this one on the classic Minories design.


There are few model railway plans that can be deemed ‘classic’.  One surely must be the late Cyril Freezer’s ‘Minories’ plan.  The plan was the result a flash of inspiration whilst waiting for a train, then some doodling to try the recreate the Metropolitan station at Liverpool Street.  The classic design that emerged was a three platform terminus.  The terminal throat is an interesting pair of crossovers which mean that any movement only involves one reverse curve.

Over the next few days, I would like to post on the ‘Minories’ plan and delve into variations of it.  I’ve gathered a number of track layouts from RMWeb posts and other locations – I am not sure of the copyright on some of these, so I ask the owners patience if I post something I shouldn’t.

The original Freezer design was for TT gauge, to make use of the then new Triang ‘Jinty’ and suburban coaches.  It was on a pair of folding boards, set in a cutting with retaining walls, like the original Metropolitan line.  He later redrew the plan for OO and larger radius points, as shown below.  The simplicity, yet charm, of the plan is clear….

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Despite the simple track layout, an intense loco hauled commuter service would provide a lot of operating fun, especially with small tank engines and 4- or 6-wheel coaches.

The kick-back siding wasn’t in the original design, and provides additional train storage, or room for a parcels or milk depot.  Another of Freezer’s original Minories design had a two road parcels depot to the left of the platforms, linked to the kick-back siding.  This would give more entertainment, but makes the layout wider.  The narrow boards of the above design makes it look longer than it really is; this illusion is lost with a wider board.

The basic track plan can be modified, but change it too much, it loses some of its original genius.  Three bits of plan from RMWeb show some ideas.  Add a third running track as below, and you have easier access to platforms 2 & 3.  However, I wonder whether loop would be better as second loco spur, or as the parcels depot.

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Then it’s possible to add a loop, so that the kick-back doesn’t need a second locomotive to haul the train back out of the station.  Perhaps better operationally, but I feel that it does lose a little of its big-city image.

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The strength of Minories is using basic pointwork to give a visually interesting and complex station throat.  If you like making track, how about the layout below.  Note also the addition of the carriage sidings/parcels depot.  Somehow this looks better than in the Freezer original, perhaps as the layout itself is longer, so the proportions still look long and thin.

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For comparison, here’s the layout of Marylebone, the Great Central Railway’s London terminus.  If you simplify the four-track approach, it’s almost a Minories – even down to the milk dock next to the platforms.

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And this is the kernel of a Minories/Marylebone plan with large radius pointwork.  A neat way of getting four platforms, but I miss the loco spur.

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Finally today, I’ll give links to a couple of classic Minories layouts.  To mark the 50th anniversary of the design, in 2007 a group of MRC members looking for a new project thought they would try to recreate the plan closely as possible but to aim for a high standard using modern modelling techniques.  Built in EM gauge, the layout is a little larger than the Freezer original, to allow for the larger radius points needed in 18mm gauge.  The site is here.  The layout:

Our layout is built in EM gauge, and our main compromise has been to slightly lengthen the points to give slightly more generous curves making the scenic area about a foot longer and 2″ wider than Cyril envisaged. This allows loco + 4 coach trains – a small reduction from the real thing. Whilst the over-bridges are ideal scenic breaks and joint-coverers, we have avoided the middle hinge device to allow for a deeper back scene, more accurate alignment and to make the boards more manoeuvrable. The baseboards are mainly plywood with some softwood to strengthen the corners. There is a 6-road traverser fiddle yard built from heavy duty filing cabinet sliders and more ply, which allows for a wide variety of trains. Operation is conventional DC control with Kaydee buckeye couplings.

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The second version comes from Australia, and can be found on Gav’s Workbench, Gavin Thrum’s site.  It also appeared in the Railway Modeller in 2015.  Whilst the MRC got rid of the hinged joints, Gav has hinged the fiddle yard to make the layout a single, foldable, unit.  It’s a very fine variation on the classic Minories design.  I note that in order to maximise the length of the fiddle yard roads, the station throat tracks are bi-directional.  An acceptable ruse to save space, and I doubt whether you notice when operating.

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Next time, I’ll post on some variations to the basic Minories theme.

 

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Off my trolley – streetcars and trolley layouts – repost

Whilst we’re on holiday this week, I’ll repost the all-time top four posts on the blog. Still the most popular post is this one trolley layouts.  If it’s so popular, why don’t we see more layouts???


Again we need a cultural translation here: trolley = streetcar = tram.  Streetcars tended to be smaller that the big interurbans running between towns.  But you could find an interurban winding its way through the city traffic on its way to the city terminal.

What is missing from a trolley layout is extensive freight operations.  Freight cars might be seen on inner city tracks, but this was not common.  What you might see is a freight motor (in the UK think the Southern Region Motor Luggage Van) moving small quantities of freight around.  But the passenger service is intense, although it will consist of a single coach, or perhaps two.  (Having said all this, there will be exceptions to the rule somewhere – please don’t tell me I’m completely wrong).

So a trolley layout has real potential for a tight space.  Short trains, very sharp curves, lots of urban scenery to model.  There is a lot going for such a layout, if you can face the idea of a layout with little freight and few of the conventional railway buildings.

To illustrate the potential, here are two links to excellent layouts.  The first is Fred Miller’s HO scale trolley model site (http://www.fnbcreations.net/tractionfan/).  Here are a couple of photos from the site, showing the high detail and concentrated modelling.  If you wonder about the curves, they are 6 ¼” radius representing a prototype 45 ft radius – in HO scale.  Even TOMIX Japanese tram track has a smallest radius of 4″!

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I was somewhat annoyed to find that the entire layout now lives in Charlotte’s Trolley museum.  We tried to visit the museum when visiting Charlotte –  but it was closed.  And that was before I discovered the layout was there.

The second layout is again HO and from Australia.  Victoria Street, living at http://glennofootscray.blogspot.com.au/ describes itself as:

“A small model tramway layout loosely based on the Melbourne Metropolitan Tramway Board (MMTB).  Originally set up as a test track, like all layouts evolved into some thing more, with a slight west suburban slant towards its location.

The modules are only 57cm long by 19cm deep, so far there are four complete modules (railway station and racecourse, the original modules), another module is the undecorated fiddle yard (city) and two recent modules are (the railway gates and the bend, Epsom Rd).  Victoria St can run as an end of line tramway, a heritage/regional (SEC) line, and a shuttle passenger service with short shunting at the station to service extra punters for the racecourse to a time table run to a 3:1 fast clock.”

Again note the size of the modules – again remember these are HO scale.  Below are photos from the site, showing the compact size.

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Updating the above…..  Fred Miller’s modules have moved museum in North Carolina, and the site has a couple of tantalising shots of his new home layout – I’d like to see more of this, as it looks to be of the same quality as ‘Gotham’.

Victoria Street has grown by several modules and is no longer a scenic test track, but a full tramways layout.  Over the past couple of years, there have been accounts of exhibiting the layout and a move to DCC – ideal for trams, where like buses nowadays you could wait for ever then three would come along together.  The website has regular updates, and I’ve culled a couple of recent photos (at a reasonable size) to show progress.

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Our regular holiday interlude – 6

Looks like they are on a roll in Switzerland (sorry)….

Day started cool but turned into another scorcher. Split up first thing. Allan took bus to Stechelberg for cable car to Murren then train along edge to Grutschalp for cable car back to Lauterbrunnen for train to Wilderswil. In the meanttime Ron walked the Wanderweg paths via Zweilutschinen to Wilderswil. By a sheer fluke by the time he got to the station Allan was on the approaching train so neither of us had to wait for the other. We carried on to Interlaken and took the bus round Lake Thun to Thun where we took the steam paddle boat back to Interlaken. We paid for first class but it was so crowded we sat in middle and so could not take any photos.

Walk from Lauterbrunnen to Zweilutscinen

       

Zweilutschinen station on right

Zweilutschinen to Gsteigwiler

   

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The budgie has flown – off on holiday next week. More from Ron and Allan when we get back, and hopefully a few railway snaps from our time away, too.

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Our regular holiday interlude – 5 – and ESNG meeting 4 July 2019

Just 7 members at last night’s meeting, with a good number on holiday.  We worked on a ‘lay your own track’ basis, and initially only joined up the inside and outside lines, as only two people had trains to run.  Then Peter arrived, so we added a third circuit.  But it was a sociable evening at the end of a lovely sunny day.

 


Meanwhile, back in Switzerland…..

Started off cool but got hotter as we travelled but on returning to hotel we alighted into rain.

Today we travelled via Interlaken to Olten where we took a Geneva train to Yverdon-les-Bains passing Lakes Biel and Neuchatel. From Yverdon-les-Bains we used local trains to Payerne, Kerzers and on to Bern. We had hoped to catch the German ICE train back to Interlaken but found the service showing as an Ersatzzug and it turned out to be a Swiss Inter City train.

Lauterbrunnen, looking up from ramp to station

Lake Thun

 

Lake Biel

Lake Neuchatel

Station forecourt Yverdon Les Bains

Outside Interlaken Ost station. First picture is of the infinity pool.

     


 

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Our regular holiday interlude – 4

Today’s weather forecast…..

After another heavy thunderstorm yesterday evening it has been cooler today. We wnt to Gstaad via Inteerlaken and Zweisimmer. At Gstaad we took the post bus over Col de Pillon to Les Diablerets. From there it was train all the way back changing at Aigle, Laussanne, Berne and Interlaken. When we got back to Lauterbrunnen it was raining so took post bus one stop up the hill. Writing this on our balcony while another thunderstorm takes place.

Tourism…..

Zweisimmen. Allan must have got a bit peckish….

   

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And trains….

Third evening running thunder, lightning and rain. Luckily just got back to the hotel tonight before it started.

To railway photos – it could have been a lot better if I was not eating a salad while waiting for a train at Aigle.  Missed photos of a shunting loco towing one of SBB new double deck sets. As they are not fully available to work at the moment they’re parked up all over the place. Also missed a freight and a light loco. To make things worse the SBB self propelled track coach caught me out at Lusanne.

Photos taken at Zweisimmen. Note the two of the gauge changer they have installed, to get from metre to standard gauge.  Try that in Nm!!!

         

And more rain. Switzerland is obviously too hot or too wet….

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Our regular holiday interlude – 3

The tourism….

Another hot day. Travelled via Interlaken, Spiez and Brig to Oberwald where we spent just over an hour in the station buffet before catching Post Bus over the Grimsel Pass to Meoringer. From there we took train to Brienz for boat trip to Interlaken for train back to hotel.

Between Brig and Oberwald

View from Oberwalđ Station Buffet

Grimsel Pass

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Giessbach Falls

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And the transport….

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Meiringen, Spiez and Brig Stations

       

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Our regular holiday interlude – 2 part 2

More transport from Allan….

The BLS Metze train is at Interlaken Ost. Bus is in Lauterbrunnen. Rest taken at Montreux.

       

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