ESNG meeting – 6 October 2016

We had a slow start to the evening, with Derek the At sunning himself in Portugal, and the Cha(I)rman suffering from an overdose of early milk rounds.  The rails looked a bit empty, as Paul was also on holiday, so no long Japanese trains were on display.

Still, we quickly got a small circuit up and running, and the members trickled in, ending up with a healthy 11 present.  It was good to see Chris again, and even better, he rejoined, making Mr App’s evening.

Most of the trains running were old favourites, and I think Phil got to run most of his stock….

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I tried out one of my Toronto Peter Witts on the main line.  Ran like a watch and coped with all our iffy track joints despite its tiny wheels.  The photos below have echoes of the Pacific Electric 4 track sections, but with no overhead, of course….

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Yesterday, I got modelling (well at least woodworking) again, building a cover for a module to go to Stuttgart.  And today I’m waiting for the postman AGAIN, with my new Dapol Class 33 about to drop onto the mat.  Must stop spending money….

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Jon’s modules – retirement projects?

As my income drops dramatically, here are a few additions to the gloat box…..

A very neat sheet metal bending tool, for those etched brass kits.  Supplied quickly and painlessly by this on-line shop.  I never remember what I need at exhibitions, so this site is one to remember for the future.

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An early candidate for construction.  Those nice people at BH Enterprises brought some etched sides for a 4-EPB EMU to TINGS for me, that may be used on one of my spare Bachmann 4-CEPs.

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And here are three Toronto liveried Bachmann Peter Witt trolleys.  At less than £50 each, two of them new, it would have been a crime not to buy them.

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My last purchase from the end of Martin’s trains.  Totally inappropriate for my interests, but who could resist an old Lima SCNF Cinema car?  Perhaps I need to add some sleeping passengers, who are watching one of those wonderful French art films, where nothing happens for  several hours.

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A trio of BR suburban coaches, picked up reasonably cheap at TINGS, that may come in useful one day.

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And finally a cheap bag of containers from TINGS.  These are hopefully earmarked for a little project…..

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I should have been up in the loft already with this lot, but this week has passed by rather quickly, supporting my daughter with her dissertation, enjoying the unexpected autumn sunshine, and hunting with my wife for a new family budgie.   (Must be male, to give me moral support, and blue like the last two….)

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Respect the scale

More on the size question, this time from the OST blog.  It’s aimed more at ‘O’ gauge, but a lot of these thoughts can be factored into any scale.

Many of the layout design conventions we take for granted were developed in HO scale. As the most popular modelling scale, HO receives the bulk of press coverage and therefore, these design conventions are well entrenched in our thinking.

For HO and N scales, the conventions serve well for the typical spaces modellers have available. However, the design train comes off the rails when the modelling scale increases to 1:48 or even 1:64. An HO modeller moving into these scales is in for culture shock on many levels and since I’m most familiar with quarter-inch, let’s look at what happens…..

The first rude awakening is encountered when one reaches a room corner. In HO, a 36-inch curve is nice while a 48-inch radius is quite generous; long equipment like Hy-Cubes, eighty-foot passenger cars and such look pretty good on such curves. However, 48-inches is a train set radius in quarter-inch scale, being the rough equivalent to 26-27-inch curves in HO, and we all know how grotesque the visual compromise is on curves that tight…..

Observation and experience has taught me that a No.10 frog is the minimum size for a mainline turnout and a No. 12 will be even better. A No. 10 crossover will stretch out around four-feet from switchpoint to switchpoint and the same distance is required to reach the clearance point for an adjacent track with a single turnout. I know, you’re screaming who has space for turnouts that long? Believe me, you can find the space if you really want to…..

Each modeling scale has its own strengths and weaknesses. The strength of N scale is in portraying a panoramic scene. Its weakness is that individual details are all but irrelevant. For quarter-inch scale it’s the polar opposite, because the viewpoint is more close-up and intimate and individual details play a more important role.

I’ve worked in quarter-inch scale for ten years now and it took me three, if not five of those years, to rid myself of the HO scale mentality I brought with me. The initial design of the I&W reflected that mentality with its track dense nature that left little if any room for scenery. I finally understood that the problem wasn’t the larger scale or the perceived lack of space. It was the feeling of being deprived that was generated by constantly comparing the new scale to what I was accustomed to with the old one.

Gee, I can’t fit as much track in here now.
Wow, that runaround looks awfully short.
Boy those turnouts eat up a lot of room.
Did I measure that curve radius correctly?
Why does everything look so overcrowded?

And for us in ‘N’ gauge…..

  • Take care when translating track plans from 4mm scale or even from the real thing.
  • And from those last comments:
    • Don’t fit too much track in, even in ‘N’ gauge
    • Use long runarounds.
    • Use large radius points/turnours.
    • Maximise curve radius. (Don’t use Peco 9″ radius SetTrack points – they will never look right.)
    • Don’t overcrowd the scenery – real life is rarely like this.
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Odd modelling idea #2222

Just a quick post today, as my daughter has hi-jacked her father’s laptop to complete her dissertation…..


From the Daily Telegraph:

Eurostar train ploughs into wild boar causing delays for passengers

Eurostar passengers were delayed after a train ploughed into a wild boar, holding up services behind it.  The 14.22 service travelling from London to Paris hit the animal near Huate Picardie, roughly halfway between Calais and Paris, causing delays of around an hour.  Speed restrictions were put in place after the incident…..

The wild boar in the area can “take it upon themselves to roam from their area onto the track”, a spokesman said…..

Wild boar are related to domestic pigs and have thick, bristly coats. They weigh around 20 stone – although some males can reach double that – and live for approximately 30 years. [Unless they are hit by a train, of course. Ed.]

Elsewhere a Grand Central train hit a herd of cattle between Peterborough and London Kings Cross, causing delays for passengers. Eleven cows died in the incident.

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Not sure I want to meet one of those in a bad mood (the boar that is) on a dark night.  Now I’ve just been complaining about the lack of movement on our layouts.  Perhaps here’s a little cameo – train derailed by wild boar or herd of cows?  I’m sure the ESNG junior members would like to operate the boar – Derek, can we fit a mechanism in one?

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Does size matter?

Well, the title should get me a few reads, anyway…..

But what I really meant to say was provoked by Martin’s ‘G’ scale electric…

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Looking at this locomotive provoked the proverbial ‘train of thought.’  It’s a brilliant model, but I thought about the ‘G’ gauge layouts I had seen recently at shows.  The models were again brilliant, but the layouts were really quite unsatisfying.

Of course, ‘G’ gauge does stand for ‘Garden gauge’, when the train is truly in the landscape, and scenery grows itself.  And strangely, it is more difficult to build scenery in large scales than small.  I think there are three possible reasons for this:

  1. It’s more difficult to add all the detail to be convincing.  In ‘N’ a lot can be left out, and the general scenic impression is still very good.
  2. It’s more difficult to ‘bed in’ large structures to be part of the scenery, especially when they need to be removable to get the layout in a car.
  3. And perhaps most important – lack of movement.  It becomes very obvious that the people and vehicles, the grass, the trees and the livestock are absolutely stationary.  Again, we can get away with that in ‘N’ (although moving vehicles are catching on).

I have seen a few ‘G’ gauge layouts in the model press that beat the above comments.  Perhaps as a relatively young gauge, these concepts haven’t been worked out yet.  But I’ll stick with ‘N’ I think, unless someone releases a set of Pacific Electic interurbans in ‘G’!


And on a different note, I’m pleased to record that I’ve retired from the civil engineering business after 40 years generally enjoyable labour.  I may do the odd day or two to help out, but I’m looking forward to some modelling time – although I may be under pressure to do a lot of jobs about the house!!!

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Really?

The BBC news website reports….

Turner Prize exhibition opens with giant buttocks, train rides and scrap metal

…..Visitors can ride on Josephine Pryde’s Lapses in Thinking, a train that goes around the gallery…..

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Photo: Tate

When I read the headline, I thought it was either a review of TINGS or preview of Warley.  That man with the giant rucksack, month old BO and giant buttocks gets everywhere.

(For those not in the loop, browse N Gauge Forum or RMweb for more information on this far-from-mythical character, who is not only a danger to both exhibitors and punters, but can also put you off your lunch.)

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ESNG PlayDay – 25 September 2016

What an excellent afternoon playing trains.  13 paying members, and the treasurer missed the excitement of collecting so much money.  Plus three guests, and with three separate railways set up the hall was getting rather full.

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We put a large N-mod circuit together, but had a slight accident when all three corner boards toppled over domino style.  The post office, that had recently been rebuilt, looks like was totally and finally demolished.

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Trains were soon running, including this SECR grey ‘N’ class mogul.

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And Paul’s new Japanese cement hoppers.  Most attractive wagons, though I doubt they stayed this shade of blue for long.

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Paul also tried for the long train record.  140 bogie wagons and a caboose hauled by two Kato locos.  Yes, it has nearly caught itself up.  There were a number of derailments, with the wagons pulling across the corners, but Paul managed a number of successful circuits.

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Derek brought along his completed N-club corner board.  You wouldn’t believe that the low level track is a job lot of old Lone Star rails.

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The Koenighafen lads brought along a couple of boards to check how they joined up with Derek, ready for Stuttgart.  No problem – the advantage of standard, jig built, ends to the modules.

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Sean’s new layout ‘Forrestone’ continues to develop.  He brought it along to add some more buildings, but spent more time talking than modelling.  Just shows it was a good, sociable, afternoon.

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A bit big to run on our tracks, but Martin’s ‘G’ gauge Piko loco could tempt one into the larger scales.  It’s as long as a respectable N gauge train.  A nice touch is the bearded driver.

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And of course, Miles contributed a most excellent cake!

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And the afternoon concluded with the usual curry.

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Heritage Modelling

Jerry Clifford writes in Model Railway Journal #249…..

There have, of course, been some superb finescale models of railways in the heritage era.  Tom Everett’s contemporary model of Ropley is just one example, but there is no denying they are thin on the ground.  Why this should be is a mystery, all the more puzzling when a few facts are taken into account.

Heritage railways provide the only experience of steam for anyone much under retirement age [ouch, that hurts. Ed], and a number of them have been around a very long time…..

The staple motive power of many preserved lines, the BR standard classes, have spent far longer in private hands than they ever did on BR, in some cases three- or four-fold….

Whilst the contemporary heritage scene has much to offer, there remains plenty of scope for a more traditional, historical approach.  How about modelling those heady days in the 1970’s when your train might consist of a couple of patched-up Mk 1’s headed by a brightly coloured saddle tank recently retired from industry?

Of course one can model ‘real’ heritage railways, and real preserved stock.  Then there must also be potential for ‘imaginary’ heritage lines.  This could be ideal for application of ‘Rule 1.’  Imagine a preserved portion of the Somerset & Dorset Railway, with preserved S&D 2-8-0’s running with Class 33’s, and whatever coaching stock one fancied.  And there there could be the new build of an unrebuilt Merchant Navy pacific…..

It certainly has potential, although one would miss out on the goods workings.  But then we move one of those Somerset quarries slightly and have modern aggregate hoppers running behind the preserved diesels…

Read more of Ropley on RMweb.  The photo below from RMweb shows what can be done in N gauge.  It is difficult to work out the scale of this Black 5…..

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ESNG meeting – 21 September 2016

A busy club night on Wednesday, with a dozen or so members present.  Good to see Paula and family again, as well as the usual suspects.  No Cha(I)rman though, as he had a milk round at 3am or so the following morning.

The fiddle yard quickly filled up.

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Interesting trains included Derek’s modification to a German ‘Party Coach’.  It now has working disco lights.  And Neil had raided TINGS in style, and had a series of boxed Dapol sets, mainly HSTs, in different liveries to test.  Paul was running long Japanese container trains, but the circuit was too small to get near the 147 wagon record.

I spent a lot of the evening talking to John B about Alpenbahn and trying to see how we could put together a large modular circuit for next year’s ESNG show.  The show is basically organised – we just have to see how to put the N-mod, N-club and Alpenbahn modules together to form one large circuit.


Members – remember Sunday afternoon 2pm onwards is a ‘PlayDay’ and that Derek will be bringing Martin’s trains around for the last time for a little retail therapy.

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Links and things

A couple of links for Wednesday….

An example to all train drivers from the Daily Telegraph…..

Driver of 175mph Japanese bullet train caught with feet up on dashboard

The driver of a Japanese bullet train that can reach top speeds of 175mph has been suspended after being caught in the cab with his feet up.

The 29 year old admitted stretching his legs out on the dashboard for about 10 seconds, adding that he had done it a number of times before, according to operator Central Japan Railways Company.

The driver who has not been named was photographed by a rail enthusiast as his 16-car Kodama train passed between Kakegawa and Hamamatsu stations in the Shizuoka Prefecture. The photo has since been shared thousands of times on Twitter.

And also below…..

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Perhaps this is the ultimate detail for your Kato bullet train?  But no tricks like this on ESNG layouts, please, even if you are controlling your train with your phone.

I might hasten to add that this is a common pose on UK railways, though the trains are never moving when it happens.  I’ll stop before someone throws something at me…. 🙂

And Michael Portillo is back travelling the rails.

Great Continental Railways: What would George Bradshaw make of British rail today?

Portillo sagely comments…..

In general, though, I feel optimistic about the future. Many of the problems the [railway] industry’s currently wrestling with are, ultimately, problems of demand. When I was Minister of Transport, we had about 700 million passenger journeys a year – and we thought we were managing an industry in decline. Today there are about 1.5 billion. So there has been a huge transformation.

As for Bradshaw….

Incidentally, we really do carry that guide around with us on every journey. Or rather the researcher does. While filming our pilot episode, I dropped a Bradshaw on the floor; it split in half and I had to hold it together for the rest of the episode, and since then I’ve never been allowed to carry it. Our researcher keeps it in a children’s lunchbox. So for about 13 years of my life, I was followed around by a civil servant carrying a red box. Now I’m followed by a researcher carrying a Thomas the Tank Engine tin. It’s funny how life takes such unexpected turns.

The fifth series of ‘Great Continental Railway Journeys’ starts on BBC Two on Tuesday 20 September at 9pm.  I wish I had his dress sense!

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