A Minories of my own – 2 – underneath the arches

Moving forward, I need to select the height of the arches under my Minories.  An obvious place to start is the South London prototype.  We could also move out to Liverpool or Fenchurch Street to the east of London for very similar pictures, but these are typical of my area of interest.

We start around Brixton.  All these first pictures come from Google Streetmap.  These are very low arches, with little headroom, but they have a most attractive decorative line of brickwork at the top.

The next two are close to London Bridge.  A similar design, but a higher structure.

This is in Walworth, on the SECR line up to Ludgate and Holborn Viaduct.

And this is close to Blackfriars.  A very plain, but high, structure.

Google couldn’t provide me with many drawings of such mundane things as railway arches.  But this is a neat architect’s drawing of a South London project.  The arches have a lot of decorative brickwork on show.

Finally, for the prototype, we return to Brixton, and two architect’s drawings that I have extracted from a planning application open to the public on the web.  They show the same sort of area as my photos above, and details of the arch decoration.

So, that’s the prototype.  How could I model this in ‘N’ scale.  ‘OO’ would be easy, as the Ratio/Wills plastic kits do a very nice arch.

But that’s no good for ‘N’.  I’ve rejected the vacuum formed arches you can get.  These are cheap and cheerful.  The brickwork is oversized, and really closer to stonework.  And the arches on my proposed layout will be in the foreground, so need to be well modelled.

There seem to be four options.

Metcalfe make a very nice brick retaining wall, with some complex detailing.  However, the arches are retaining wall shaped, not the prototype occupied arches.  Not useable.

Scalescenes sell a downloadable set of arches in a range of different brick and stone finishes.  This is brown brick, and it looks the part.  They also sell a neat set of shops or industries to fill the arches.  I’d need to get these well printed, probably on laser-jet for durability, but they look pretty good.  And the basic download is cheap.

A solid outsider is the German laser-cut ‘High-line’ series produced by DM Toys.  These kits are made from laser-cut, pre-coloured, card, and MDF for the trackbed, if used.  They are fairly expensive, but not unduly so for my relatively small layout.  And they are a whole lot cheaper than some equivalent UK laser-cut arches.  Perhaps the catch is that they do look German.  That may not be a problem, as arch design does vary a lot around London.  One could replace the fancy railings with simple ones, as in Brixton, and cut the pillars between them down a bit, but the lack of decorative courses of bricks at the top of the wall stands out.  And UK arches do seem to extend higher into the structure.  The brickwork does, however, look excellent – perhaps a little overscale, but not too much.

Finally, Scalecast sell silicone moulds to cast your own arches in stone or resin.  Nice detail here, but I don’t really fancy casting all of them, and making the occupied arches may be tricky (of course, they do a mould for ‘OO’).  Perhaps not this time!

So I think we are left with a choice between DM Toys and Scalescene.  DM Toys would have the advantage that they also make a couple of neat bridge kits to match the arches, but I think that Scalescenes win, as they do look so much more ‘English’.  Will they look OK in the foreground?  I think so, but it occurs to me that it would be possible to use the Scalescenes downloads as templates for scratchbuilt arches in Plastikard.

But at the moment, all I need to do is to fix an elevation for the upper board.  Scalescenes provide this useful sketch that gives the required dimension – 43.5mm between levels.

Next, I need to draw up a cutting list for the baseboards.

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A Minories of my own – 1 – planning

It’s time to move on from my (occasional) Covid-19 diary, to something new.  As you, gentle reader, may well realise, I have spent the last couple of months trying to work out a layout that I actually like.  This is the story to date…..

Starting out, I almost settled for this!  A Brio Minories.  Now that’s what I call a design…

Givens for the design

I decided that I wanted to build an urban layout.  And although I am attracted by the idea of a ’roundy-roundy’ layout, an end-to-end is more practical in our house.  As I have posted previously, the inspiration is there in ‘Minories’ and in Ian Futer’s ‘Victoria Park’.  But I haven’t been too happy with an urban 2 or 3 platform station.  The answer to this is the lovely ‘Surrey Arms’ layout, where the layout models some side platforms with a backdrop of the main train shed (think Victoria or London Bridge for two companies sharing the site, or even Kings Cross suburban.)

Surrey Arms is in a cutting, but I really wanted to put the station on arches, like most of the southern termini.  I’d hoped to do something a little different from a Minories, like the ‘O’ gauge version below with it’s central carriage siding.  But that turned out to be a little tricky, as Minories is such a perfect plan.

Planning

Although I intended to use Finetrax code-40 track for the layout, I started designing on the computer using Peco geometry, for simplicity.  I then realised that using USA ‘Fast Tracks’ handbuilt templates gave me something very close to Finetrax – after all, a B8 turnout is the same except for the sleeper spacing.  And things like Y-points were already included in my computer library.

So I started with this version, based on one from an RMWeb thread.  Reasonable radius points, but platform 1 is arrival only.  This is on 2 x 800mm boards.

I also tried this one, based on West Kirby on the Wirral.  Only two platforms, and the scenic layout is 1 x 1200mm board, with an add on non-scenic section for the end of the platforms.  This is not entirely silly, as the platform ends are often hidden by an overall roof, making uncoupling difficult, and the least realistic part of any station model is the concourse, as there is no movement there.  I’d have had to make the track for this one.

I didn’t really connect with these, and tried a purer Minories.  All the points are B8’s, that look good.  There’s an extra loco/parcels siding, and the classic Minories platform curves are mitigated by using two Y-points on at the entrance to the station.

Using B6 points in places gives a shorter layout, but I didn’t think that it looked as good.

This was then cut down to make a shorter, Victoria Park version.  Losing a crossover at the throat makes the station shorter.  Either the two entry tracks are bi-directional, or one becomes a headshunt/loco road.

And if I returned to almost a classic Minories, except for the Y-points, I thought that the end result was a very pleasing design.  This turned out to be the final design!

Visualising scenery

Dropping the track plan into Paint.net allowed me to sketch out the scenery.  The 1200mm long Minories started as a 300mm wide board.  I though that the platforms at the back just looked too wide, and I didn’t want to widen the front of the layout.

I really liked the next iteration – the 1200m long Victoria Park lookalike.  Just 250mm wide, this seemed to have a better balance.

A bit of a nudge

Come Black Friday, I saw that there was 20% off Finetrax. It pushed me over the edge so I bought the code-40 bullhead track that I need for a ‘Minories’ look-alike.

The final iteration

And thus to the final iteration.  Back to 2 x 800 x 250mm boards (although the framing to support the backscene will take it up to 1200mm.  This seemed to tick all my boxes, at any rate, and it might even get built!

So, I’ve ended up with almost a standard ‘Minories’, but with a tweak here or there. On two 800mm long boards, and the station is raised on the classic South London arches.  Operation is limited, but fun for an hour or so, and it would work well at an exhibition.  There are a number of buildings and structures to construct, especially the over-track signal cabin at the layout entrance, and the train sheds.  You might well have selected one of the other plans, but I think that I’ll stick with this one.

Next steps

There are a number of things to do next:

  1. First step will be to use Finetrax templates to lay the layout out full size.  This will check all the clearances and determine the size of the high level baseboard.  I want this board to be open underneath to give access for point motors and wiring.
  2. A big decision is what to do for the fiddle yard. A ladder of points is easy but takes a lot of room. A balloon loop shorter but wider, and the radius is could be a little small. Traverser, tricky for my brain. Cassettes, easy to do but also very easy to drop!
  3. I also need to decide how to build the railway arches.  There are a number of possibilities, but the one will fix the distance between the two levels on the layout.
  4. Only then can I start making the boards.

Well, that’s been an epic post, but it does mean that I have to build something now. I just hope that it doesn’t keep changing, like my American layout did.  More will follow…..

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We would have been in Stuttgart – 4 and really the last one…

I thought that I’d done with these, but here are a few more Stuttgart memories from Allan.  Starting in 2018….

The rather delightful module that came from Japan with Mr Kato.  It was built by a secondary school class, some of whom came to the show with him.  The civil engineer in me liked the rip-rap protecting the channel banks….

Makes you cold, just looking at it!

And 2017….

That ERIC gets everywhere….

The ‘up-and-under’ to change running tracks from Europe to the UK….

And lastly 2015…

The first Japanese module came over in 2015 with this group of young ladies.  For some reason, Allan didn’t get a photo of the module, just the class of 2015……

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Training the next generation?

A great picture from Sean of the layout he built for his son:

“Here’s a picture you can use of Lucas getting his first layout for his 7th birthday. Keeping it going with the youngsters”

It seems to have gone down rather well…..

At least he didn’t want one of these to run on the layout.  It might just overtake Paul and Graham’s trains!

A slightly different modelling challenge?

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We would have been in Stuttgart :-( – 3

And some of Allan’s pictures from last year.  Once again, setting up and socialising seem to appear in a lot of shots.  And some ESNG members are evident, as always.

This should be the last reminiscences!  Back to 2020, now….

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We would have been in Stuttgart :-( – 2

More 2015 reminiscences from Mr Dawes……

First full day at the model railway show in Stuttgart.  Party at the end made it worthwhile.  Why can’t British shows be like this?

This train ferry made a perfect way of separating the DC and DCC sections of the layout.

Positive sighting of Mr Atfield!  I was there somewhere.

The West Sussex group posted some memories on Facebook, too, of 2017.

Not sure why there are always more pictures of booze than trains?????

Back to Allan in 2015….

Day 4 in Stuttgart. Day 2 of the show.  Again a full day. This evening was invited to a local model railway club in Stuttgart.
There club room is in a S-BAHN station above the tracks. What a wonderful set up they have.

Maybe more later…..

Paul’s comment on that year’s trip…..

Back at Selsdon after an interesting trip back. The flight was delayed because a light aircraft had to make an emergency landing, then debris was spotted on the runway! Take off was 30 minutes late, but 90 minutes later, I was at Gatwick. As you can see, the weather in Stuttgart was grim.

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We would have been in Stuttgart :-( – 1

Various members of ESNG would have descended on Stuttgart for the NCI meet this weekend.  We’re all missing a fun weekend, but there have been a number of posts remembering the past years.

Allan starts us off from 2018….

Spending the day getting things sorted for my trip to Stuttgart.

A pleasant message from Stefan….

Dear frieNds,

Thank you for the pile of great e-mails from all of you to remember that day !   TODAY we would have started playing with our trains – the trains of our frieNds.  Would have had talks and fun – had our soup of the day and in regular times would have been eagerly looking forward to THE evening!

Jaime did express this with this nice picture I want to share with you !  Also I think it’s a great idea – as Allen suggested : have a special dinner tonight ( and may I add: a good drink) and look over the pictures of the last 14 years…

(I added 4 of 2001 and 1 of 2006)

All my NCI-colleagues are fine. We had an online meeting this Monday.   We could see on the screens what promising new modules are in work!!!  And we will continue to do this. It gives you a feeling of being together.

This reminds me wishing Francesco Carlucci all the best in fighting his COVID-virus !!!!!!

Anyway let’s look forward !  The next ENSC will be at 18.-21. Nov. 2021.  Hopefully we will all look back to this all as a bad nightmare.

Stay safe – keep your good humour and feelings!  Be creative!!

Stefan

Back to Allan, and 2015.

Spent to day setting up our part of the n-club international layout.  Before and after photos below.

More reminiscences tomorrow…..

And we’re all looking forward (we hope) to next year…..

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ESNG meeting – 18 November 2020

Zoom again tonight.  As ever, good to catch up with some of the ESNG members.   There were just the eight of us on the call, plus Maxine for a while, and briefly, two cats.

Starting out, we seemed to be missing a few people.  We got a blank look from Graham….

But all appeared in due time…

Phil (shown here) and Paul managed to show off a few trains….

Another very pleasant evening!  The standard of conversation was as bad as usual, with a wide range of irrelevant and relevant topics, including leaking underground tunnels, the diet secrets of Mr Dawes’ cats, and how long it takes to get to Cornwall.

I’m already looking forward to the December meeting!


Just to finish off….

The day a rebuilt Merchant Navy class ended up in Redhill shed.  Probably the only one to get there – it was pulling a football special, and had a mechanical problem.

The Brighton Belle clears East Croydon…..

And Norwood Junction shed in 1960.  One of the best laid out medium-sized sheds, that could be modelled.  The four-track main line lies to the left.  The shed is connected to the single-track line to the right, was (and still is) the down line from a flying junction.

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The clergy and railways

This came up on an RMWeb thread.  I recall seeing Teddy Boston’s layout in the Model Railway News back in the 1960’s.  It’s a very respectable bit of modelling for that era, and he also build a delightful model of the 3′ gauge Southwold Railway, using the then new TT gauge products.

And of course, he was a great friend of the Rev. Awdry of Thomas fame.  I have probably mentioned before on this blog that his brother, Billy Boston, married my parents in East Dereham, just post-war.

He was a bit of an enthusiast.  Real steam as well!

And then of course, there’s the miniature railway in the vicarage garden…..

And here’s the final steam open day after his death….

What a great guy!  They don’t make clergy like that anymore!!!!  Or vicarages – the CofE has very sensibly sold off all the rambling property for more practical, and economic, houses.


And now for something completely different – 15 minutes of wonderful guitar work.

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Potpourri #1005

A sign for the times?  I’ve been throwing things out, and I expect that I’ll need them next week…..

London Bridge  lines in the 1930’s.  An inspirational shot…..

An interesting branch terminus on the Reading, NE USA.  The baseboard shape would be impossible, but the layout is probably unique….

More book buying than modelling going on at the moment.  But both these are excellent – if you like Southern Electric EMUs!  The front cover of the Scrapbook would make an excellent N-mod module.

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